I can see that David is talking but I never heard him

David is speaking in Spanish, you will not be able to hear him unless you are in the Spanish channel

https://newenglandenergyvision.com/equity-and-environmental-justice/

https://newenglandenergyvision.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/enee-presentation-slides-spanish-1.pdf

Please post english

https://newenglandenergyvision.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/enee-presentation-slides-1.pdf

thank you

Disruption, Implications, and ChoicesRethinking EnergyThe Great Stranding: How Inaccurate Mainstream LCOE( Estimates are Creating a Trillion-Dollar Bubble in Conventional Energy AssetsA RethinkX Sector Disruption Report February 2021 Adam Dorr & Tony SebaRethinking EnergyThe Great Stranding: How Inaccurate Mainstream LCOE Estimates are Creating a Trillion-Dollar Bubble in Conventional Energy AssetsThe RethinkX Project..We invite you to join our community.To learn more, please visit www.rethinkx.com

Judy Chang has mentioned the link between solar and storage. Is there being developed a link between wind, especially OSW, and storage?

And let’s not forget electric vehicles that need electric charge, but also can serve as storage.

Is it possible to roughly characterize the cost that “double procurement” of capacity inflicts on current ratepayers?

According to my fave climate explainer and activist Dr Leah Stokes, investor/stakeholders of electricity suppliers have an obvious interest in obfuscation and making difficult equity and “green energy” goals of various states and cities that affect their profits. How do we know if our suppliers are “above board”or honest, transparent brokers?

An article today related to new energy storage: https://www.woodmac.com/research/products/power-and-renewables/us-energy-storage-monitor/

who are the stakeholders and how are they chosen/

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how do you know if the converse isn't smoke and mirrors as well. People need to do their own research and analysis and not rely on any kind of brokers or representatives

Please discuss the importance of the TCI in the region, that states not committed as yet should commit. Thank you.

LIVE EMISSION = https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/CA-ON Ontario Atomic CANDU Reactors are LOWEST 40 g CO2/KWHR in N America at 1/2 Cost$$$ of ISONE Dirty Grid = 259 40 g CO2/KWHR

I had read of an idea to incorporate (bury) new transmission lines along existing RR tracks to avoid the land use,permitting and other headaches Ms Chang spoke of.

Re-think x Initial Summary of Findings A large and rapidly-expanding global financial bubble now exists around conventional coal, gas, nuclear, and hydro power energy assets. This bubble has in part been created by mainstream energy analyses that have, for the last decade, significantly underestimated the levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) from conventionalpower plants because they assume these plants will be able to successfully sell the same quantity ofelectricity each year from now through 2040 and beyond. This assumption has been false for atleast ten years.

Why is ISONE CLOSING Nuclear when Ontario RTO is #1 in Emissions and Cost$$$?

And with the TCI in mind, the importance of having a regional EV charging plan and servicing stations.

New England had 9 nuclear power plants producing carbon free energy and now have 3

are there models of ISOs that are more transparent and inclusive from other states and regions?

California's ISO broadcasts board meetings on You-Tube.

ISO NE Board Mtgs closed to public=very bad sign a la Short Circuiting Policy by Dr. Leah Stokes

LCOE is highly misleading indicator of 24x7 supply of electricity. Once you invest in battery/other storage and new T&D to accommodate intermittency and variability of wind and solar, total system cost may end up being much larger than keeping existing units.

There still are unsolved nuclear waste situations throughout NE-nuclear is not the answerrl

is the ISO represented on this call?

Those meetings should be open to the public!

https://www.ferc.gov/news-events/events/workshop-regarding-creation-office-public-participation-04162021

https://www.eia.gov/state/index.php?sid=MA#tabs-5 Mass is 68% Higher than average us ERATE and #5 MOST price $$. Question how to lower ERATE?

FERC is a rogue agency, unwilling to answer to the EPA, should be dissolved. All this polite government language covers up for the eminent domain taking of land from homeowners and native peoples for dams in Canada. I would love to see us talking about going in reverse on the awful projects that are in place. It is time to close the Bow, NH coal fired power plant certainly. Facing the climate crisis with the urgency of Greta Thunberg should be all of our goals. As somebody who has been protesting FERC for years, listen to what we already said. Stop stealing land thru eminent domain.

How can we transform the ISO into a DSO (Distributed System Operator)?

https://newenglandenergyvision.files.wordpress.com/2021/03/enee-presentation-slides-spanish-1.pdf

Waste of $$ money

Could you explain how the TCI might influence the issues we are discussing?

How will ISO-NE implement the FERC-2222 order? This could allow improved demand response and the grid interactive home.

Is it possible to characterize how much the impact on double procurement costs new england ratepayers…. is it 1 cent or 5 cents per kWh?

broadcasting board meetings is not participation

Some versions of ZOOM don't have the raise hand option in the Reactions button. If that is true for you, open the participants list and you may see the raise hand option at the bottom of the list.

Within the six New England States there are several sovereign tribal governments. Do you have relationships with them? Are they stakeholders?

Ross is exactly right, and there was a fight about this in the 90s about importing from hydro Quebec and now it is narrow and hypocritical to only talk about EJ when its within the state borders.

Question: Do you think members of the ISO-NE would agree with your characterization of the challenges facing us, particularly on the governance side?

Anna's question is great!

Hydro is NOT clean energy

The largest blockage to moving into our new energy future is the fossil fuel industry

I would like to speak please

Large scale hydro should never have been given the status of a renewable.

long with the comment about the natives peoples of Canada.

our vision for the energy future which is upon us NOW is to localize energy production and transmission

There is another EJ issue that was not clearly mentioned - rural land use from siting of solar. There is already conflict in rural communities about siting utility scale solar and its likely to get worse as more are proposed (in western MA we are already arguing about this in our little towns). In what ways are the states preparing to proactively think about how to manage siting and the inevitable disputes?

Conversely, urban brownfields, rooftops, and parking lots are not yet being prioritized for the siting of community shared solar facilities, which are sorely needed for CT EF communities.

Nuclear Power is Clean Energy ISONE needs Dirty $ 2 Billion to replace Prematurely closed Pilgrim and VT Yankee which ARE Replaced by GAS BERNieng EGEN

Large scale hydro can NEVER be considered clean energy. It is extremely damaging to the environment, and to the indigenous peoples who live in extreme danger because of it. I can speak from very close knowledge about this and how it is currently affecting the Pimicikamak Cree Nation and others

Please tell us how you are investing EE resources, requiring EE investment in financing green businesses in BIPOC communities who could start receiving their fair share of all the millions of energy efficiency dollars now going to mostly white owned energy efficiency businesses, and if you are not doing this, can you please include it. Thank you

Back in the 1920s, 30s, and 40s, the electric grid was highly decentralized and very localized. if the belief that returning to such an operational environment is the best case, be careful what you ask for as that system was not very resilient.

+1 Eugenia on the metrics!

Yes to the metrics.

I live in a community that has a cooperative local energy company- as an FyI, today there was an outage including a downed pole- within two hours the power was back on. resilience is not an issue with my wind power driven community- connected to the grid as well.

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wonderful Eugenia

Prioritizing duel use farm solar projects reduces land clearing for solar arrays, saves farms with a revenue stream, saves open land from development, provides food security and offers sequestering carbon in soils by redirecting our organic waste into compost. Tony Beattie, Pepperell Select person

beautifully spoken, Eugenia!

+++ Eugenia

The community of faith is on the move. The 600 Episcopal churches in New England are moving into the market place. stevemacausland@gmail.com

good job Eugenia

Rooftop solar and agrovoltaic opportunities abound.

How is infrastructure being redesigned to create more reliable micro grids? Tony Beattie

Microgrids hold the key to resilience

Thank you, Eugenia.

stack

Germany broke up their established large centralized energy companies to break open room to increase solar energy inputs. Do we need to do the same? Tony Beattie, Pepperell Select Board, Pepperell, MA

It would be great to have sessions like this set up at regular intervals until we see the changes we envision take place.

dual use solar is not the answer for everything: you cannot grow vegetables under solar, mostly good for grazing, but we need vegetables more than we need meat. We also don't really know how the solar impacts the ability of the soil under the arrays to sequester carbon. we need to subsidize owners to keep land in forests and farms rather than making it economical for them to sell solar. Solar should be incentivized for roof top, carports, parking lots, etc rather than on anykind of land.

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How about letting others talk Shaina, nothing like taking over the verbal content

Please also integrate small scale and community owned clean energy microgrid and other clean energy distributed generation alternatives into the NE grid and let ratepayers vote for it as one of the available alternatives when we select our energy sources. Thank you

Please note: interpretation instructions were not provided to those joining the meeting. Only those participants who had interpretation enabled already could hear the instructions in Spanish. If you joined, you do not speak English and you did not know how to enable interpretation, there were no instructions provided in Spanish on how to do that and have language access.

If one considers global supply chains for solar panels, wind turbines, and batteries, environmental and social impacts multiply (a lot). Mining for lithium, cobalt, indium, nickel, manganese, copper, tellurium, cadmium and much more in Africa, Latin America, China or elsewhere have impacts. Processing minerals and transforming them into solar panels and batteries release hazardous byproducts into air, land and water. Solar panels in our homes may feel clean but they have a long trail of impacts behind them. There is renewed interest in critical minerals (necessary for energy transition) mining in North America.

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Please pull this woman off so they can hear from others

Please note: interpretation instructions were not provided to those joining the meeting. Only those participants who had interpretation enabled already could hear the instructions in Spanish. If you joined, you do not speak English and you did not know how to enable interpretation, there were no instructions provided in Spanish on how to do that and have language access.

There is no Doubt why and what are the largest barriers which is so obvious to everyone except this behind closed doors. The largest barrier is the fossil fuel industry

I am hopeful to see CT implement community solar. Many LMI houses can not access solar, renters can't access solar. There is a need to pair EE with solar upgrades to lower grid demands.

While I agree with all the concerns raised thus far regarding EJ, pollution, clean energy etc, I want to remind folks that one of main responsibilities of the ISO is reliability. It’s a pity we don’t have an ISO representative here.

Yes Leticia, agree

The other issue I see is many communities do not have access to climate change, or energy education. It lacks equity to not inform them, but expect them to pay into programs they can not access.

Puede escribir una pregunta o un comentario en el cuadro "chat" en cualquiermomento. Para participar en la discusión, por favor:1. Levante la mano haciendo clic en el botón 'Reacciones' en la parte inferiorderecha de la ventana de la reunión de Zoom y seleccionando 'Levantar lamano'.2. Lo llamaremos por su nombre tal como se muestra en Zoom, momento enel que el anfitrión le pedirá que deje de silenciarlo.3. Haga clic en la ventana emergente para activar el sonido en Zoom y en suteléfono si ha llamado para audio.4. Indique su nombre, pronombres y afiliación, si corresponde.5. Por favor limite sus comentarios a unos dos (2) minutos.6. Le avisaremos cuando tenga 0:30 segundos.7. Cuando haya terminado de hablar, haga clic en el botón 'Reacciones'nuevamente y seleccione 'Mano inferior'.

The problem in Texas was their emphasis on low cost of energy to the consumers vs. reliability. So we need to be careful we keep reliability in mind.

Drawing down demands supports stability and resilience. Home is where the heart is, all roads lead home. This is why addressing housing issues, like barriers to weatherization is critical to fighting climate change, and to keeping our grid stable. We use GAS to heat, cook, and generate 51% of CT electricity- which goes to buildings with a B.

How much reliability at what cost is the Q in TX

¿Qué desafíos energéticos existen en su comunidad?Cuando piensa en energía, ¿qué es lo que más le importa?¿Qué cambios en el sistema energético le gustaría ver más?¿Cuáles son las mayores barreras para cambiar nuestro sistemaenergético?¿De qué manera los gobiernos estatales pueden involucrar mejor alas personas en cuestiones energéticas?¿Cuál es su visión para nuestro futuro energético?

Learn more here: https://efficiencyforall.org/wordpress/2020/04/30/a-goal-is-just-a-wish-without-a-plan/

One way to start is to change the terms we use: stop saying "natural gas" and call it "fracked gas" instead. That would help the public focus on what we are using now. Plus the hydro as stolen energy from Five Nations.

Not all natural gas is obtained from fracked wells.

A recommendation for how state governments can better engage people is to fund ongoing engagement work in every municipality prioritizing funding to BIPOC community-based organizations working in collaboration with the municipal and regional sustainability staff and other CBOs and organizations working on clean energy and climate action

If we apply energy efficiency and demand reduction (which we procure also as an energy resource) is the cheapest way to help us access clean energy - then we pair that lower energy demand with solar, wind, and hydro- electric-, as well as geothermal - learn more about this plan here https://youtu.be/l_7MUIDb2E0

60-87% gas is fracked

Hydro is not clean, or green and is contributing to the cultural genocide of indigenous people.

YES - Becky - Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas , are all natural.... they are also all fossil fuels and non renewable. Nuclear also uses uranium which is a fossil fuel.

Towns with CCAs could only accept electricity from green renewables, not biomass and not ground-mounted solar on cleared forest land or ag land.

Christina- I am indigenous and Latina

ev daytime charge or windy night should b subsidized

Uranium is not a fossil fuel but that's irrelevant. Wind and solar are renewable but solar panels, wind turbines and batteries are not renewable themselves. They need to be manufactured by using minerals that needs to be mined. Just another extractive industry.

This is a time when there should be significant consideration given to large infrastructure investments from a federal level. It's time to look into replacing inefficient and high operating cost gas turbine peaking plants with hydro pump storage to replace this capacity. Pump storage will provide electric power storage to better utilize both solar and wind power by storing excess capacity. NH, VT, and ME are ideally suited and the technology is old and proven (refer to the pump storage project in Holyoke MA). Currently China is leading in this technology investment to provide reliable and proven renewable electric storage capacity.

Crazy= UNRELIABLE RE considered for on demand Reliable Capacity Market== BLACKOUTS

Ct has still neither passed enabling legislation for CCAs or true community shared solar, which are essential for achieving energy equity.

on the questions of decisions being made by states and provinces, be careful what you ask for as disqualifying one over the other really brings into question the validity of ANY state or provincial determination.

pump storage in northfield ma not a plus for conn river

vt beating nh at ev charge rollout

RE: TCI: Under burden communities don't have EV' cars therefore charger won't help them. Also our biggest carbon emitter is electric generation- Positive things TCI can do on EV's is acknowledge that it increases electric demands (unless they are paired with solar). However, EV buses and EV public transit are great EV purchases which will help all people even in low income communities.

Can someone link more information on TCI?

https://www.transportationandclimate.org/

AMEN, with respect to utilities resisting the interconnections Liz is referring to!!

Remove Canadian hydropower imports from the Massachusetts 2050 Decarbonization Roadmap

Great comments Liz Argo. Thank you

Importing this hydropower makes Massachusetts complicit in the environmental racism caused by from Hydro-Quebec operations on Indigenous lands in Canada.Hydro-Quebec cannot substantiate its claims that its hydropower is “low emission”, clean or renewable -- and neither can Massachusetts. In fact, the emissions are on par with fossil fuels and contribute to the climate crisis.Canadian hydropower dams destroy river systems and fisheries and impair the ocean’s ability to sequester carbon.

isone still burning coal and oil and underating solar

To engage you must inform- People are not often not informed. This forum is a great start. Thank you for setting this up.

++Liz!

From Resources for the Future: Electrification can potentially reduce CO2 emissions from the transportation, building, and industrial sectors, which account for 63% of all US GHG emissions. Addressing emissions from these sectors is critical to decarbonizing the economy and ultimately, mitigating the impacts of climate change. (RFF)US emissions by sector: 28% Electric Power; 29% Transportation; 22% Industrial; 12% Commercial/Residential; and, 9% Agriculture

This energy demand - which is not the same as carbon emissions https://www.eia.gov/electricity/

LIVE EMISSIONS = https://www.electricitymap.org/zone/CA-ON Ontario Atomic CANDU Reactors are LOWEST 40 g CO2/KWHR in N America at 1/2 Cost$$$ of ISONE Dirty Grid = 259 40 g CO2/KWHR

Yes to Liz. Energy independence does not preclude resilience. We have the ability to make the changes we need to see. First step is to change from ISO to DSO. Utilities were supposed to have been phased out of buying and selling electricity 2 decades ago with the sunsetting of the Standard Offer.

https://www.eia.gov/state/

Here is a link to the work the NE states have been doing on governance. We held a forum and are accepting comments through 3/26. https://newenglandenergyvision.com/governance-reform/

Leticia Colon: my comment included public as well as private EV transportation. I agree that we need a strong public system available to all at a reasonable rate that is powered by EV charging stations in rural and urban locations.

https://www.eia.gov/state/index.php?sid=MA#tabs-5 eia MASS site #5 most expensive in us

Thank you.

It appears that there is a very limited parameter that does not allow a more robust distributed generation system that would be much more secure as well as allowing more regional or local generation and use.

solar and storage on bldgs solves most of the issues need a more proactive policy to support

Just FYI there is also plenty of information about end-of-life and recyclability of solar panels and batteries. While they are by no means perfect and do require some rare metals, solar and battery companies are very conscious of this. They are making constant effort to be more sustainable in terms of materials procurement. Battery companies like Sonnen and Tesla have specific descriptions of how their batteries can be recycled at end of life, and there are already solar panel recycling programs in RI and throughout the world. So, while of course we can't completely avoid materials use, down the line these technologies are made of recyclable materials which will mean less materials use and procurement long term. And it's still better than the destructing processes and pollution related to fossil fuels.

solar has very small eco footprint try nukes

Silicon is NOT RARE. It's the second most abundant element on the planet and mono-crystalline panels are grown from ingots in a lab.

playing the farmer card

Wind power is the cleanest energy.

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agrovoltaic

Metals used in batteries are more rare but silicon is definitely not rare.

Consider battery life and disposal for large scale power storage. - cost effectiveness? environmental friendly disposal/recycle?

solar can work with agriculture best r north south bifacial pv fences nearly all agriculture use retained

Thanks Anne Dolivo - agreed- I am noting that many low income folks( the most needy folks) don't have cars, and they don't have EV's, and they have real needs like heat, electricity, and housing over - EV's at this time. Yes we need EV's , we have to address EV Equity by ensuring we draw down demands before ramping them up further. That public transit gets first pick at EV conversion, then private Ev's could follow. If everyone is paying, we should ensure everyone has access. We probably agree on much of this.

There are also studies that show that ground mounted solar on farms actually helps retail soil moisture and thus richer grass growth can create a great environment for animal grazing

I would be interested to know opinions about hydrogen fueled energy.

Ground solar works on farms. Which is great yes. It works on roofs also.

public transit is covid superspreader

Pay farmers to retain their land and forests without solar...

bldgs first fields second

If you wanted to ask a question or make a comment this evening and did not have the opportunity due to time constraints, you may email me your question/comments to claire.sickinger@ct.gov

Put solar on already damaged land (landfills, brownfields) and rooftops, etc

And support farmers to use regenerative agricultural practices financially. Huge carbon sequestration.

Not on ag or forest land

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i wish iso would show canadian hydro in the source graphs rather than only as imports

solar on farms will end up being problematic....

Cristina - Thank you for being here to speak- Yes- we need to Stop digging.. and let's innovate new ways to generate clean energy. Keep the gas and oil and coal and uranium, in the ground- Yes, but we do use energy all day and night, we need some sources of energy, clean ones are better. yes? Thank you. great points.

completely agree!

Thank you Chistina!

when is the next meeting of this kind?

Thank you for this forum and to everyone who participated.

Thank you for hosting this!

Cristina Cabrera - criscabreraeph@gmail.com

401-450-1486 (cell)- Cristina Cabrera

Maria- Real question: If not solar, what do you suggest we use for energy? If not Hydro- what do you suggest. They have to create a plan, and hopefully we can help create that plan in ways that help people not hurt them,

the future is H2, renewable H2

A great forum - yes please continue the public dialogue.

Thank you for having this forum and thank you to everyone who attended and spoke up

I second Leticia question

Thank you

Stop the Killingly Power Plant!

Thanks for this evening

h2 not a source

Please continue these sessions! Thank you!

Please have another forum like this one!

While English is my first language, I appreciate the Spanish interpretation being here!

.Thank you everyone

See you next time

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Great job Claire

Great job all of you really