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GC3 Public Forum - Progress on Mitigation Strategies - Shared screen with speaker view
Bud McAllister
15:32
Bud Buildings
Evelyn Pan
16:03
Evelyn Transportation
Amy McLean
16:31
Amy McLean - buildings
Martha Kelly
16:48
Hey, BUD! Non-energy Cross
Alan Poirier
17:31
Alan Poirier - Electricity
Gannon Long
21:16
Hi, can you put the draft report link in the chat please? Thanks!
Martha Kelly
22:03
Is there some way that I can view all break-out groups later. Can a non-participant view this meeting in recorded form later?
Gannon Long
22:31
Thank you!
Martha Kelly
23:28
Can you put links somewhere else for the sake of those of us who cannot take notes?
Martha Kelly
24:39
No, bigger would be ?legible.
Steven Wallett
24:40
f5 might work
Gannon Long
24:44
if folks maximize the zoom and go full screen the presentation is clear
Gannon Long
24:50
x the chat
Martha Kelly
25:24
The graphs are illegible.
Kimberly Stoner
26:02
The slides are not advancing!
susan eastwood
26:10
@MaryBethHart electricity
Rebecca French
26:16
Jeff Howard works for the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection
Rebecca French
27:51
https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/DEEP/climatechange/GC3/GC3-working-group-reports/GC3_Progress_mitigation_strategies_REVISED_draft_report_public_comment_092120.pdf
Rebecca French
28:10
The above is a link to the Progress on Mitigations Strategies working group report
Rebecca French
29:15
We do not have recording ability using zoom for all of the break out session, but we are taking detailed notes on each break out session.
Brenda Watson
29:36
Thank you Bernie!! and Jeff!
Gannon Long
39:05
These slides are awesome, Yoda is a great touch
Anthony Cherolis
39:13
PURA Meetings - Definitely not a way to reach low income households...
Patricia Taylor
39:32
Will you improve business owner/commercial building education, too?
Martha Kelly
41:19
None of these acronyms reach the COMMUNITY.
Kimberly Stoner
42:05
Right! No acronyms. Also, the word “concierge” may put people off - although I think the concept is great.
Anthony Cherolis
43:19
Can we make building sprawl on farms and chewing up woodlands illegal or attach a steep fee? Our state wide "CT's Transportation Future Survey, Oct 2019" showed 65% support for that (only 15% opposed). https://www.ctprf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/CT_Transportation_Future_Survey_Results_2019_Dec_update.pdf
Anthony Cherolis
43:54
(go to slide 13)
Ben Martin
44:56
why do we need more energy sources when we are currently exporting power?
Ben Martin
48:39
we need to eliminate ghg emissions by 2030, not just reduce them
Trevor Hurlbut
49:16
++++
Rebecca French
49:59
Reminder to send a private 'chat' to Mary-beth Hart with your choice for one of four break out session (if you have not already done so via survey monkey). Break out sessions: Buildings, Transportation, Electricity or Cross-sector/non-energy
Bernard Pelletier
51:40
Ben Martin - good question - in the future we’ll need 2 to 3 times the electricity we have now
Ben Martin
51:47
tree trimming won’t harden grid enough and reduces ability of carbon absorption.
Ben Martin
52:15
need to put infrastructure underground whenever possible
Thomas Worthley
52:18
Proactive Management - See www.stormwise.uconn.edu
Kimberly Stoner
52:48
See recommendations of CT Botanical Society on maintaining utility Rights of Way.
Anthony Cherolis
52:56
Bernard - If we are building a system that requires 2-3 times more electricity, we are probably aiming for failure. There needs to be a much more significant focus on reduced usage and reduced waste.
Bernard Pelletier
53:05
Martha - we have a focus on the community - just could not get to it in 20 minutes - it was missing from the 2018 report
Bernard Pelletier
54:11
tony - transportation will be electric - that alone will double it. moving from natural gas and oil will also increase the demand as well. agreee that efficiency has to be front and center - but demand for electricity will go up
Denise Savageau
54:12
I also recommend the UConn Stormwise program. This has not been actively uses as a tool to manage roadside/forest trees. Tree trimming is not forest management and does not promote a strong health road side forest.
Diane Hoffman
54:49
thank you Denise!
Denise Savageau
55:01
Need great focus on distributed generation and microgrids not on a centralized grid.
Anthony Cherolis
55:10
Bernard - If we aim for a status quo shift from our current car-centric, low occupancy vehicle system, you are correct. We can't aim for a status quo car-centric system and succeed.
Ben Martin
55:24
Denise is right!
Kimberly Stoner
57:35
Yes - more distributed energy resources!
Anji Seth
58:02
question re peak demand: when we are all using heat pumps in winter, and EVs will peak demand shift to winter? is there modeling work be done to look at how demand an it’s peak will change?
Anthony Cherolis
58:16
Micheal, Re: Local Solar - There are apartment buildings, condos, and industrial buildings in urban areas that haven't been able to move over to rooftop solar. Many programs have been focused on separate houses for rooftop solar. Could get some big arrays on larger buildings if that was a focus. [hooray for distributed, locally generated energy]
Stanley Nolan
58:30
Microgrids for resilience and storm hardening require CCHP sources.
Denise Savageau
58:45
DEEP/PURA study on Distributed Generation. Is this being conducted by someone in Environmental Economics, Need to make sure that externalities are including not simple cost/benefit analysis.
Bernard Pelletier
59:56
anji seth - the consultant is Levitan and associates
Ben Martin
01:00:51
66% of electricity by 2030 is too low and impossible if we build another fracked gas power plant in Killingly Ct
Denise Savageau
01:01:20
Thank you. Assuming they will be doing an analysis that includes externalities. This should be a requirement in their contract. A macro look, not a micro at the economics.
Bud McAllister
01:01:34
Thanx Ben! No Fracked Gas
Kimberly Stoner
01:01:35
Even at the beginning of the presentation, they said 71% of electricity. Should be even more.
Anthony Cherolis
01:02:56
Is that new fossil fueled energy plant in Killingly still happening. Agreed that is a very odd project to be moving forward knowing what we know about what needs to happen to reach critical ghg emission reduction goals. We can't be building any new fossil fuel infrastructure like that and make it to those goals. Really, we need to exceed those goals to have a chance to survive...
Denise Savageau
01:03:35
Too much focus on large scale solar/renewables. Need great focus on distributed generation.https://ilsr.org/report-is-bigger-best/
Martha Kelly
01:03:57
I sure hope not. (Killingly)
Kimberly Stoner
01:04:03
Yes, according to the report - the fracked gas power planting Killingly is still happening! We need to stop it. It makes no sense. It will keep us from meeting greenhouse gas goals.
melinda tuhus
01:04:22
If we agree that we need to stop digging then we definitely can’t build the Killingly fracked gas plant
Diane Hoffman
01:04:48
If Killingly plant isn't stopped these efforts will not offset the damage created by the plant
Trevor Hurlbut
01:04:48
absurd that killingly hasn’t been shut down yet. what is Lamont even doing?
Martha Kelly
01:05:16
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Not Kimberly, more LNG generation.
Brenda Watson
01:05:51
Thank you Tony C.!
Kai Starn
01:06:18
Both the Sierra Club and Clean Water Action continue to highlight opportunitiesto push back on the various approvals related to the finalization of the Killingly gas plant. Public comments are due by Oct. 9
Denise Savageau
01:06:46
Report should recommend that no large scale solar will take place on Natural and Working Lands when we have parking lots, rooftops, etc. So much developed real estate. Limiting discussion to core forests and/or prime farmland doesn't look that the ecosystem services of all forests/trees or the carbon sequestration potential of soils.
Martha Kelly
01:06:47
Thank you, Diane Hoffman and Trevor Hurlburt ant Tony C.
Kimberly Stoner
01:07:28
Denise Savageau - also brownfields! Another good place for solar!
Bernard Pelletier
01:07:39
Covid 19 is a challenge to public transit (and the building sector) - something that we need to factor in…
Denise Savageau
01:10:56
Need to tie in distributed generation and adoption of electric vehicles. Coupling these two strategies would help drive both.
Patrice Gillespie
01:11:21
France imposes vehicle taxes according to horsepower
Susan Miller
01:11:55
Prevent advertising for non-electric vehicles
Bernard Pelletier
01:12:20
absolutely denise - they distributed energy and evs are partner strategies
Cary Lynch
01:12:48
From today: https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/09/23/newsom-calls-for-california-ban-on-new-gas-fueled-cars-by-2035-1317947
Martha Kelly
01:12:52
Now, that's interesting and creates an incentive to go to smaller, lighter vehicles.
Patricia Taylor
01:13:25
Show people the correlation between vehicle exhaust and poor air quality by adding more air quality monitors to our state's monitoring, and make sure communities can see their daily air quality numbers.
Martha Kelly
01:15:15
Another good idea.
Kimberly Stoner
01:15:57
So often we see the 2018 recommendations and new recommendations, and no report on whether we are meeting the 2018 recommendations. Are we?
Rebecca French
01:18:42
Thank you for the question in general about tracking progress on the 2018 report. There is some description on activities related to the recommendations in the 2018 final report of the Governor's Council on Climate Change convened under Governor Malloy within the Progress on Mitigation Strategies working group report.
Bernard Pelletier
01:19:08
Not in the building sector. Funds raid is one reason - but not the only one.
Alec Shub
01:19:09
It’s unlimited and only costs $20 for UConn students
Rebecca French
01:19:16
Due to keeping these presentation to a high level 20 minute overview, not all of the details on progress were included in this presentation.
Alec Shub
01:19:17
For a semester
Rebecca French
01:20:26
I can help with translation of acronyms in the chat if you let me know.
Martha Kelly
01:20:30
I was just going to ask for U-Pass, too. How about giving it without charge to those seriously involved with DOL or Employment training?
Brenda Watson
01:20:48
State employees should pay to park in metro cities like Hartford, Waterbury, etc. Especially as state garages are barely used as a result of COVID
Chris Phelps
01:24:49
While mostly good policies in and of themselves, a lot of this is small-bore stuff disconnected from serious emissions reductions targets. Especially compared to CA Gov Newsom's announcement today of a commitment to banning sales of new internal combustion engine vehicles by 2035.
Rebecca French
01:27:21
Again for anyone joining later...Reminder to send a private 'chat' to Mary-beth Hart with your choice for one of four break out session (if you have not already done so via survey monkey). Break out sessions: Buildings, Transportation, Electricity or Cross-sector/non-energy
Ben Martin
01:28:05
parking areas should be required to have renewable energy generation on roofs, covers or solar pavement
Denise Savageau
01:30:55
Has a detailed report been done on barriers to using mass transit? For example, if commuter services only looks at 9-5 jobs, how does that impact workers on flex schedules or worker off peak. Women and low income usually most impacted. Examples: Many women who also have to deal with child care, won't use mass transit because need to be able to pick up kids at schools etc. Most off-peak users have lower paying jobs
Martha Kelly
01:32:22
True.
susan masino
01:34:14
Agree with comment by Denise S. re barriers and can give specific examples.
Anthony Cherolis
01:34:45
@Patrice - I like the vehicle tax based on (fossil fueled) horsepower. We've got a recommendation to add a Connecticut gas guzzler fee for non-commercial vehicles which would somewhat do that. The challenge would be that we'd need that to be a multi-state fee for NY, RI, MA, and NJ + others. The fee could pay into reducing ghg emissions.
iris kaminski
01:36:02
I think the high toll should be back in the conversation, polluters from NY and Boston can pay, like we do when we go into NY and to Ma.
Martha Kelly
01:36:30
Why leave out commercial? I bet most Giant pick-ups managetobe registered as commercial.
Anthony Cherolis
01:36:57
Clear message to auto industry --> "commitment to banning sales of new internal combustion engine vehicles by 2035." [good point Chris Phelps, we need to be thinking bigger]
Denise Savageau
01:37:26
Mitigation and Adaptation/resiliency. Need to look at all ecosystem services. Not necessarily just those seen as adapting to climate change.
Martha Kelly
01:38:38
Low quality housing is leaky.
Anthony Cherolis
01:39:22
@Denise - The improvements proposed to transit in the metro Hartford area would have increased evening and weekend service and addressed other shortfalls based on changes known to increase ridership in other metro areas. The improvements have not yet been funded. https://crcog.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Hartford-EX-Summary_April_FINAL.pdf
Bernard Pelletier
01:39:41
Older buildings generally are leaky and inefficient this is a huge opportunity to mitigate GHG. NREL estimates that CT could lower residential thermal demand 26%
Martha Kelly
01:40:15
Need to approach zero and low emission ways to cool as well as Heat.
susan eastwood
01:40:40
Thank you for tying in to the unneeded Killingly power plant.
Ben Martin
01:40:44
DEEP needs to recognize it’s own data and goals when considered fossil fuel infrastructure
Ben Martin
01:40:51
and reject them
Kimberly Stoner
01:40:55
New Jersey just passed a very strong law about environmental justice communities - requirement that burden on these communities be taken into account in siting all hazardous activities
Bernard Pelletier
01:40:57
heat pumps + good insulation + local solar is the key to heating and cooling
Anthony Cherolis
01:41:03
@Denise - New Haven has their MOVE New Haven transit study and recommended investments. Some bits of that may move forward next year. Funding challenges there too. http://www.movenewhaven.com/
Denise Savageau
01:41:57
@Anthon - exactly why the GC3 report should specially address this and move funding forward.
Martha Kelly
01:42:00
Ben Pelletier, a good start but not everything.
Bernard Pelletier
01:42:58
MK - what other ideas do you have?
Rebecca French
01:43:58
SLCPs = Short Lived Climate Pollutants like methane and hydrofluorocarbons
Anthony Cherolis
01:44:50
@Martha - Re: Gas Guzzler Fee - At least at first it would focus on non-commercial vehicles. There aren't as many EV or hybrid options in that sector yet. The gas guzzler fee could be expanded ton include commercial vehicles as those options become more available - which should happen as the medium and heavy duty ZEV MOU is put into effect.
Ben Martin
01:45:19
no gas infrastructure is airtight so can’t be safe. leaks are bad but compressor station just vent gas during maintenance
Rebecca French
01:45:25
SLCPs remain in the atmosphere much shorter time than CO2, but still contribute to global warming
Kimberly Stoner
01:46:01
Replacement of refrigeration systems and chemicals is the number one recommendation in Project Drawdown.
Rebecca French
01:46:38
GWP = global warming potential - metric for how much that greenhouse gas contributes to global warming. A way to compare the different greenhouse gases.
Cary Lynch
01:47:27
At the federal level, there is a bill in the senate ( I think) that would adhere to the Kigali Amendment which would phase down HFCs.
Bernard Pelletier
01:47:40
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/monthly.html provides graphs of the increase in methane - nitric oxide and other SLCP - very alarming
Martha Kelly
01:48:05
Smaller ones that a homeowner of an old building or a renter could implement. E.g. Plantings outside, Blinds or Shades that are retrofits over leaky windows, ways of adding insulation from inside to a limited space. Maybe small, but lots fo folks are on the edge.
Bernard Pelletier
01:48:33
MK - excellent points…thank you -
Anthony Cherolis
01:49:27
Community gardens and urban gardens can be very important from a food security and community health perspective. Heck, I've grown ~80% of my veggies this year in Hartford raised beds.
Patrice Gillespie
01:49:31
@Anthony - A multi-state vehicle tax rate structure based on fossil-fueled horsepower, per France’s model, is a great idea. Let’s explore that per your funding idea, above
melinda tuhus
01:49:40
Trees are our best natural carbon sink in addition to being extremely important in LMI communities. It is crazy to be cutting them down all the time like the utilities are doing
Kimberly Stoner
01:50:04
The Pollinator Pathways movement is encouraging native plants in place of lawn in over 85 towns in Ct.
Rebecca French
01:50:14
Come to Working and Natural Lands Working Group Public Forum next week to learn more about the tree and other option nature-based mitigation strategies
Martha Kelly
01:50:52
A plan for waste reduction, in only 2020. At last.
Anthony Cherolis
01:51:01
City of Hartford has a "goal" to increase tree canopy from 25% to 35% by year 2035. Sadly we are losing tree canopy every year and unable to plant more than we lose (staff and $$ constraints).
lynne bonnett
01:51:13
I have to go to another zoom meeting but I wanted to say that moving away from sewage sludge incineration to a system that makes beneficial use of sewage by creating renewable natural gas options is very important. It is not enough to just ask this industry to look into other options; they have zero incentive to do so. Incineration produces toxic chemicals that damage the health and well being of EJ communities that have to breathe these toxic emissions.
Denise Savageau
01:51:23
EEJ benefits of trees should include moderation of heat island effects.
Anthony Cherolis
01:51:23
New Haven currently has around 35% tree canopy, for reference.
Kris Kuhn
01:52:51
Is this chat record available after?
Bernard Pelletier
01:53:19
kris - just click on the three dots and you can save - but it will be saved also
Martha Kelly
01:53:26
Yes, I'd like that, too.
Michael Malmrose
01:53:37
click the elipsis in the chatbox and you can save it
Gannon Long
01:54:00
Regarding the chat, everyone remember that even private chats become public record
Martha Kelly
01:54:44
Then, after you save it, where is it?
Martha Kelly
01:55:04
No.
Alec Shub
01:55:22
It will save to a folder titled
Steven Wallett
01:55:25
Zoom folder I think
Alec Shub
01:55:25
Zoom